Living Church of God: Gerald Weston admits that LCG members don't understand what they are supposed to believe

As usual the leadership of the Living Church of God is blaming members for the drop in attendance (i.e income) during Holy Days that fall on week days.  It seems that the church has been unable to get its message clearly across to the Laodicean members in it's midst.   Weston blames it on so many of them being new to the faith.   They apparently are too dumb to understand the reasons why they should be attending instead of going to work or to school.

Even worse though is the fact that many "old time" members are doing the same thing! Heathens!  James Malm will NOT be happy! Where is the ZEAL????????

Could it be that they are all sick of being yelled at?  Could it be that they are sick of every single sermon that Meredith preaches has to denigrate gays, women and other Christians?  Could it be they are sick of the endless drivel about jackbooted Germans and rampaging Muslims in every single sermon, article, tv show and tweet?

The ministry of the Living Church of God has spent decades trying to scare people into believing their baloney.  Fear no longer seems to have a stranglehold on members as it did in years gone by.

...I have noticed a different trend over a number of years that when a Holy Day falls during the week, we consistently have a lower attendance than when one falls on the weekend.  This pattern is likely related to newer people who haven’t yet come to understand the importance of God’s annual Sabbaths, but some members have been around long enough to know better.  Paul tells us in Hebrews 11:6 that it is impossible to please God without faith. Let’s all step out in faith this Monday for the Feast of Trumpets and October 12 for the Day of Atonement.—GEW

Dave Pack ready to help his god burn Jews and ministers as his god attempts to bring strong winds to destroy other COG HQ's

An anonymous source sent me the following excerpts from a sermon of Dave Pack's. The more Dave speaks the further he sinks into mental health issues that are warping his mind with delusional thoughts that could potentially end in a dangerous situation. While he tries to present himself above reproach in the sermon he preaches by presenting himself as an apostle, his words have the potential to set off mentally ill members of his church into bringing his words into reality.

Dave's believes his god is getting ready to destroy the headquarters of the various splinter groups with a strong wind.

This sermon is very anti-Semitic and he talks a lot about his god burning the Jewish rabbi's and teachers around the world because they are  deniers of his god.

Some of what I picked up in the first 45 ,minutes of a 2 hour sermon are this:

Zech 11  Grace (Beauty) and Bands  nations of the west are about top throw Judah under the bus

Fire is about to devour people…ministers    Vs 2   all these trees will be brought down…the whole chapter is about god dealing with BAD ministers.

Vs 7   after ministers are slaughtered, Dave’s god is going to bring the flock (members of splinter groups) over to PC.

Dave hopes it will be this coming spring  as they gather together in “one accord” by Pentecost

Lots of reasons to watch the Bands (the brotherhood)   God will cut off three shepherds in one month.  God loathes them as they do him.  God binds the rest into bundles to be burned  Matt 13:30 in a furnace of fire

When god begins to work with the Jews in Jerusalem, scorners will be burnt to death by god.

I’m not a fire and bringstone preacher, breathren. But Christ talked over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over about how if you don't obey me am going to burn you.

Many church members do not believe that.  Dave says he say many ministers and members left in the 70’s because they believed in “universal salvation”   Dave says this makes an absolute mockery of he Bible.   He says if you feel this way then go be an atheist and don't worry about.   Go be Adolph Hitler, or Mother Teresa or whoever you want as it does not make a bit of difference. You will be saved anyway.

People just don’t believe that his god is going to burn people to death.
 Church has always believed lake of fire was the second death. Christ is going to burn people to death.  To say otherwise is to call him a liar.
 Can no more have the wicked in the first dominion than you can have the devil and his angels in it. Could not get anything done.  Cant even get anything done in the church if people can divide and disagree and blow things off.   Cant get any where if these people are in the church.  What are you to do with them?   They have to be removed.

For a long time I struggled to determine which was a literal fire and that which was symbolic 

God is going to burn them in a furnace.  Their ashes will be under OUR feet, otherwise God is a lair!
 I have come clearly to understand that the tares are taken out of the church, bundled, put under the foolish shepherd, wait a while as they wait for Christ’s kingdom to come.  They will be punished alter after Christ comes.  Leaders of the world will be put in chains and imprisoned.  You (RCG members) may be literally the ones who put them in prison and then lets them out.
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God will kill the three Shepard’s.  I saw that in 2012 and I have never moved from that.

Two great awesome truths have been shown to us over the last three years. One is the unifying of the church to do this awesome, great marvelous work.  A resurrection of the dead is involved.  A worldwide earthquake is involved. Mass healing is involved.  Absolute unity.  400 groups will GO AWAY!  The whole world will see this.  They will come to us in two groups.  Some people will have to choose.  Hopefully they will choose the right one during this fire.  Then the foolish shepherd is destroyed and there is a cursing.  This Work starts with an ENORMOUS BANG! But it’s no the KOG yet. Because there is no way to bring the Kingdom till Christ fixes the rotten, Sodom like rulers of Judah who have been poisoning people since they killed Christ and the prophets before him and the apostles after him.

The same scorners are in Jerusalem today. Messianic Zionists, who if you get in the way of OUR temple and our country because we are God’s chosen people….they will slit your throat as fast as they will a Palestinians.

Those leaders have fanned out to synagogues all over the world. The entire world is going to watch God deal with these people (Jews) because they are  in every nation of the world. It's the rabbi’s that are the problem.  It's the religious leaders who hated Christ…the scribes, the Pharisees, the elders and the chief priests.   They are despisers and scorners.  They gotta die!  We are going to have to talk to them to give them a chance to change.  I am going to be going into Jerusalem, but I am going to be going into a lot of other western capitals and saying some fairly serious things, with two guys on either side of me. All of those things are EXACTLY as we believe them.  Its been a long time with prophecy to get to this point were I can explain it to 

Some more highlights are these points sent by the anonymous source.

·         I hope it is this spring…

·         Burnt to death by God

·         I am not a fire and brimstone preacher

·         Christ said over and over and over and over again that if you don’t obey me I am going to burn you. Fire. Ashes. Consume. Take your pick. But I am going to burn you to death.

·         You have always believed the lake of fire is the second death

·         Christ said over and over and over he is going to burn people to death he means it. It’s serious. And if you say otherwise, you are calling him a liar

·         You won’t get anywhere with the church if you don’t remove people 

·         Which of these verse are literal and which ones aren’t?

·         Tares and wicked are burned to death

·         What’s coming on the church is serious. 

·         They wait a while, and then they are burnt to death

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·         The devil knows what he is doing. The devil burnt Jews

·         It is interesting how the devil perverts things

·         Nobody doubts what this means

·         In this case, they are probably going to be cast in alive. 

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·         Burnt them all to death

1:13

·         Speculation: Is it possible that God is going to use wind to destroy the splinters headquarters? With literal wind. This is a question, not a statement. 

1:32

·         We will be swimming in money

1:32 – Key part

·         Put down your Bibles and just listen

·         Scriptures listed proving people will be cast alive into a fire

·         1:37 – they will be told they are out, and they know they will be burned later

1:45:52

·         “If you don’t believe all these plain verses you cannot claim to be obeying the many other less obviously verses in your bible that define Christianity.”

·         11 people have left. They have rejected this prophecy. They don’t believe the Bible.

·         These verses plain…are impossible to miss. 

·         “It impossible to miss them. It’s impossible to miss that those who reject them will be burnt to death this side, long before, the great tribulation and long before the third resurrection.”

1:48

·         Some will be put to death in the first dominion

·         “If you reject all these passages about either death by fire or all of this prophecy you are calling God and Christ liars and you will be burned in a literal oven. All over the world hear God’s servant now. I am telling you. This is serious. The Bible is a real book….

·         “Those who are going to be burned it will be long before the tribulation and they won’t even live to see the First Dominion. It will happen at the beginning. Brethren, obey God. Carry out your word to Him. Carry out his will. Pray, study, fast, grow and overcome, so none of these verses need ever apply.”

Living Church of God Public Bible Study Lectures draws in only 26 People out of 31 Million Americans in three States (UPDATED)

A few days ago I reported that United Church of God failed to draw in significant numbers of people to their public campaigns.   Now it looks like Gerald Weston's leadership has taken its first hit as his reign starts.

Living Church of God recently ran their own series of public appearance campaigns in order to recruit new income sources.  Just like UCG, they failed rather spectacularly!

Church of God News has this up:

Viktor Kubik of UCG was disappointed that a total of only 76 visitors attended the 3 Beyond Today presentations in North Carolina, but LCG’s recent attendances have been worse. A Tomorrow’s World presentation on Sept. 24 in Ohio drew only 13 guests, and only 13 visitors attended 3 Public Bible Studies in Illinois and Missouri.

Imagine how pathetic it is to only be able to draw in 26 people from three states!  That is 26 out of 31 million people!!!!!!!  26!  Thats no witness at all.  Of those 26 it can almost be guaranteed that 0-1 of them will ever return to attend a church service much less become an income stream.

This is the entire comment on the LCG site.  It also confirms what most of us  have always suspected. LCG, like UCG, pads their audiences with members tome it look full.

The Springfield, Illinois, and St. Louis, Columbia and Rolla, Missouri, congregations each recently hosted their first in a series of Bible Study lectures. One of these was held on a Sabbath afternoon and the others were held in late afternoons or early evenings. The topic at each was Armageddon and Beyond. The 13 guests and 90 brethren who attended these lectures saw PowerPoint presentations illustrating end-time prophetic milestones and had a handout to enable them to better follow along. All listened attentively and many took notes. After the presentation, each guest received the booklet Armageddon and Beyond, written by Mr. Richard Ames, and many of them stayed to fellowship with the brethren, who are enthusiastic about hosting more Bible Study lectures beginning in December.—Richard Franz

Why is it that COG members STILL need to be told what to do, think and believe?

A reader here made the following observation about church members who sit back and let the ministry abuse them.  These people have the need to be told what to do and have no idea how to step out and make a decision on their own.  They remain fearful of the ministry over them.  They have seen what happens to rebels who take a stand.  Its never been pretty sight to behold.

People still look to fools like Malm, Thiel, Pack, Flurry and Meredith to give them the answers.  The world is a safer place when a person is told what to believe than it is to dwell in the questions.

Pack,Flurry, etc have blown their minds with power and self involvement. 

I think anyone in that organisation knows it but is afraid. 

The C of G is filled with people who are not self starters. By and large the membership is teeming with people who need to be told what to do and when to do it.  

It is a cult and attracts cult minded people and rebels who are rebelling against their family and friends and society. 

Procrastination is the church motto. People quit and take jobs because ministry tell them to. 

They marry and divorce as the ministry tell them to. 

Those who won't go along with the micro control (the rebels) have 'bad attitudes' because they think for themselves. 

I often wondered if HWA thought that people were gaining experience for the kingdom by being automatons. 

These groups think they can buy salvation with deeds. The good works don't come from the heart but from the desire for salvation and saving their own skin. 

This is the difference in a Christian whose heart has the law written in it and the members of the WWCG who read it off a stone tablet.